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cannot even get traction in washington talking about poverty. president barack obama and the members of congress, both the left and the right -- everybody has to it knowledge that they spend so much more time in washington talking about the middle class, they are obsessed, but we cannot get a conversation about poverty. why is that? >> you said it. it is a political sort of poll tested way to try to get that extra are centage point in terms of public opinion. that priorgs political leaders did, and certainly our civil rights leaders did, was they went against public opinion. they really said this is the morally right inc. to do, and we need to move the country in that direction. unfortunately, that type of leadership we don't see today. this president campaigned on raising the minimum wage. at one point, he was for raising it to even a higher level than he has suggested of late that he wants to raise it to. why is he negotiating against himself? why can't politicians understand that americans are hurting, that we need a living wage, not a minimum wage? >> that is really an important
that this president, a beneficiary of all of the sacrifice and struggle, president obama has benefited from that, and he has talked less about race than any president in recent memory, and the study details what other presidents have had to say about race, and he has had less to say about it than others, including republicans. is him being black in itself making a statement? i ask because you, one, have done the work, and, two, you have had occasion to be there. he has talked less about race than any present -- president in recent memory. >> first, it does not surprise me, and that does not mean that other presidents have talked much about race, because they avoid it. he is smart. he knows that an awful lot of people voted for him as a black president because they felt they were ready to make a racial change only on their terms, and if he talks about race, they get upset. all he has to do is mention -- trayvon martin, people go ballistic. it still drives our politics, our voting patterns. it is still an important barometer of politics in the united states, but for that very reason, it is a gatew
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